E-cigarettes v Tobacco

[George27]

Looks like a new vape shop opening in Carlton Road next to Gibbs chippy

[frankiesays]

You don't very often see a classy looking vape shop do you? They always seem a bit tacky, temporary and opportunist, nothing wrong with 2) and 3) though.

[George27]

You don't very often see a classy looking vape shop do you? They always seem a bit tacky, temporary and opportunist, nothing wrong with 2) and 3) though.

Have to agree with you. Its a pretty new market and the big boys, with their money and expertise have yet to move in on it...but I wouldn't be surprised when they do

[SL-Dave]

Already done. An e-Cig made by BAT - British American Tobacco - is the only one so far officially allowed to be prescribed by doctors on the NHS. I'm sure I'm mistaken in my belief that monies have changed hands discretely for this monopoly in our 'free' market.

[funkychick]

Sorry to spoil your bubble but the big tobacco firms have been involved from day 1 it may have only just been made public but they jumped on the band wagon from the start ....There is now quite a lot of information about lungs being harmed by them .... They are awful my son in law who used to pop outside the house four or five times an evening keeping it away from the kids now lays on the sofa with his cig all night long The kids call it his 'horrible pipe'

[George27]

Just to clarify, when I said the big boys have yet to move into the market, I ment in the retail market.
Yes they sell largely into the convenience market, they don't seem to have made inroads into the more specialist/hobbyist market.

As for being awful, Public Health England make the point that they are around 95% safer than smoking. Now I see that as a good thing and far from awful.

[funkychick]

Actually George there will be more come out in the future that will show you they are not so wonderful as we are given to believe The only safe way is to stop smoking, the chemicals in them are not as safe as people believe there have been many things throughout history that we have been told is safe at one point only to realise it wasn't Thalidimide comes to mind Statins are the more modern tablet that is causing worries For years a particular anti biotic was freely given out it is now off the market as unsafe The tobacco firms who have always known how bad cigarettes for the body have no morals when it comes to money

[George27]

FC, I agree with you that the safest alternative to smoking is not to smoke, and that Big Tobacco have no morals.
But vaping is currently a far safer alternative to smoking, and as such must been seen as a good thing.
Most current vape shops are small business helping smokers find a much safer alternative to smoking, and as such are helping to put a dent in Big Tobacco sales with out putting further pressure on the NHS.
Instead of deriding new start ups like Fatcat Vapes, we should be asking smokers we know to try vaping as a way of quitting smoking.
PS I have no relationship with Fatcat Vapes or any other vape shop.

[funkychick]

You miss the point George most people are just swapping one addiction for another. It is sold and advertised as a smoking cessation product however most people use it as an alternative believing the whole publicity that it is safe (most people dont think its SAFER but safe) and it isnt necessarily so, there is news coming out regularly about health issues that prove it is not so 'safe' as they originally believed they have found people getting lung problems and also people like my son in law who now has his 'pipe' in his mouth most of the evening instead of having the inconvenience of going outside three of four times as he fully believes it is 'safe', People feel they should be able to use it in restaurants coaches offices because its 'not real smoking' what a backward move

Believe me I would be rejoicing if I thought it was the wonderful product it is built up to be The big tobacco firms are rubbing their hands in glee as the sales of cigarettes were going down and they were getting fidgety now on comes a new ploy to make money out of addicts and they are very happy, so no I do not welcome these shops and I will not see them as wondrous products they are the new money making item and target addicts who would be much better helped to stop completely which was happening until this alternative form of smoking came along. Notice I wont call it vaping which makes it sound like a completely separate social activity it is still smoking by another name there is still nicotine involved there is still an item in the mouth there is still inhaling and exhaling there is still 'pretend' smoke which is activated by chemicals

[SL-Dave]

If I remember rightly, one of the main benefits of ecigs is the lack of secondary smoke; it does not affect others around them. Is that right? If so, surely this is a much better thing, and indeed makes it acceptable for cafes and restaurants etc to allow them.

[George27]

Indeed Amansin!

A couple of quotes from the Public Health England report

the conclusion of Professor John Britton’s 2014 review for PHE, that while
vaping may not be 100% safe, most of the chemicals causing smoking-related
disease are absent and the chemicals present pose limited danger, remains
valid. The current best estimate is that e-cigarette use is around 95% less
harmful to health than smoking
 e-cigarettes release negligible levels of nicotine into ambient air with no
identified health risks to bystanders

From
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... actice.pdf

[boatbuilder]

I have spilt this topic from the Opening & Closing topic as it seems to warrant it's own.

[Mel]

The current best estimate is that e-cigarette use is around 95% lessharmful to health than smoking......e-cigarettes release negligible levels of nicotine into ambient air with no
identified health risks to bystanders

I agree entirely with your post George27, I think as an aid for anybody trying to pack up smoking they are a good thing. One minor point, I find them quite ugly, in certain situations a lady smoking a real cigarette can be aesthetically pleasing to the eye (although not quite so nice to the nose) whereas those e-cigarettes look just plain stupid when being smoked or vaped whatever you like to call it...

[George27]

Mel, a quick Google image search for ladies smoking (or some such term) will produce an image that could change your mind

The term is vaping as there is no smoke produced, despite what some may insist.

[Mel]

Mel, a quick Google image search for ladies smoking (or some such term) will produce an image that could change your mind

No thanks George27, I only look at those sultry ladies in the old black and white movies